why tym tractors loader lift rateings so much better than jd?

[sd455dan]

looking at a t234 tym tractor, its 25 hp and the fel is rated at 1380lbs lift at the pin,with over 2000lbs breakout force,, compareing it to many john deere models, it beats their loader rateings ,on the green tractors on models with over 35 hp,, im baffled . Im looking at used jd models mostly, because they cost alot more than the tym. Im looking for a tractor that is light enough not to crush sprinkler lines and rut residential lawns (badly), but still be able to pull a 5' box blade,and dig out my ditch line. I have a 1963 ford 4000 now,its to big and heavy for my custemers yards.

Have you looked at the specs for the New Branson 2515's in comparison

don't know if dealers have them in stock anywhere yet but in the under 25 hp group the new 2515 h and R are impressive spec wise

(24.8hp engine, PTO 21HP)
3 range Hydromax hydostat engine speed linked to hydro pedal
diff lock
cruise control
3 point lift 24 in. behind pins 2425lb
2200lb at pin to 104 inches FEL lift with quick attach 3660lb breakout force
Suspension seat

Maybe to heavy since shipping weight is almost 3k lb.?

 

[Industrial Toys]

I know that I have bought Chinese Hydraulic Jacks that won't lift half of what they are rated for. Are tractor specs honest and reliable? Also, a tractor will always lift the most with cold oil.

 

[finn1]

Our TYM dealer lasted about five years.

Kioti came to town, and TYM disappeared. Never saw many TYM in the area, but for some reason Kioti sales took off. They are everywhere, and seem to far outnumber Deere and Kubota locally.

I took a chance. Hope I don’t regret it in a few years.

 

[kthompson]

Im still in the air while TYM is a thought but orange and green are not, frankly for me there is a better use of dollars for me and that fact that while under warranty its not my problem anyways.[/QUOTE]

Not too sure on that statement. When a machine is needed and down it is the owner's problem. Also if a brand or model is know for being a problem brand or model it is the owner's problem if they desire to sell or trade it.

 

[rScotty]

All accounts as in use and quality. I'm not sold on TYM yet to be up front, by I also understand that TYM has been making parts for orange and green and whole tractors for other names for decades. Why things cost more, well sometimes you get what you pay for, sometimes its brand recognition. I mean you pay 120 bucks for a pair nikes that cost 10 bucks to make, are they better than the $70 Reeboks, doubtful, but Nike has spent billions on their name and keep doing so, so they want a return and then some. So while somethings are quality and your paying for that, on a certain level you are also paying for a name.

Im still in the air while TYM is a thought but orange and green are not, frankly for me there is a better use of dollars for me and that fact that while under warranty its not my problem anyways.

It sounds to me like you are sold on the the lower priced options, and that's fine.

It's not a problem for me. After all, YOU are the one who asked the original question about the differences between models.

All I'm doing - along with several other old timers here on TBN - is giving you the result of what we've found through experience. That doesn't automatically mean our info is right.
Just because better machinery doesn't come along every day; doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Although better tools are usually more expensive, not less.

But before you pay good money, I'm going to exercise my old man's perogative and say that I think you should step back and look at what you are saying.
To "by all accounts as good as" JD or Kubota you have now added "TYM has been making parts for orange and green (tractors)....for decades".

Seriously, Nards?? Frankly I don't know that either one of those is true, but doubt it.

More importantly, perhaps you should take such statements with a grain of salt as well.
Now I don't necessarily think you should go orange or green; I also think they are overpriced - just as you do
But some of those "statements of fact" you are throwing around sound to me more like sales hype than fact.

Maybe I'm just stubborn. I'll admit to being rural, hard-headed and tough to convince.

rScotty

 

[kthompson]

Please know I think we all agree buying anything is always the buyers decision. As has been said there are many factors that come into a purchase at least often does. I bought a windshield washer pump on line two weeks back because the price was great and on the internet looked like mine that was bad. Talking JD here and Surplus Center had one for less than $10. Knew JD would be more and was placing order so ordered it. Got it and boy it sure looked like my JD one, other than the port sizes...but I was risking the most $10. Over the years and now in the old age grouping by many, try not to have to buy something twice or three times, it cost less to buy what you need the first time. Not only in the dollars you spend but how well it performs the task and how much you enjoy using it. That does not mean you should throw price to the wind, it means just the opposite. Think carefully about what you are considering. First do you really need it long term (if really needed at all), then think what you really need it to do and then what you "want" it to do. Sometimes we are better off renting any tool over buying it.

I can tell you purchase after purchase I have made that in the moment made bad decision. At this time am looking at professional string trimmer with attachments of pole saw and hedge trimmer. To replace the home owner version I bought at least 10 years back. I am not disappointed in buying the homeowner grade those years back for they did the job I bought them for and have done so rather well. Really well enough to realize the difference between the two grades,HO and Pro. Guess my best is to tell you there really is that same difference in tractors as there is in cars or any other product, even shovels. YOU MUST decide your need, HO or pro and your budget, HO or pro. If truly HO then go Homeowners grade, if PRO is what you need then work to get the PRO grade and the price.

 

[nards444]

It sounds to me like you are sold on the the lower priced options, and that's fine.

It's not a problem for me. After all, YOU are the one who asked the original question about the differences between models.

All I'm doing - along with several other old timers here on TBN - is giving you the result of what we've found through experience. That doesn't automatically mean our info is right.
Just because better machinery doesn't come along every day; doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Although better tools are usually more expensive, not less.

But before you pay good money, I'm going to exercise my old man's perogative and say that I think you should step back and look at what you are saying.
To "by all accounts as good as" JD or Kubota you have now added "TYM has been making parts for orange and green (tractors)....for decades".

Seriously, Nards?? Frankly I don't know that either one of those is true, but doubt it.

More importantly, perhaps you should take such statements with a grain of salt as well.
Now I don't necessarily think you should go orange or green; I also think they are overpriced - just as you do
But some of those "statements of fact" you are throwing around sound to me more like sales hype than fact.

Maybe I'm just stubborn. I'll admit to being rural, hard-headed and tough to convince.

rScotty

Like I said Im not sold on TYM, another brand is actually what I think I have settled on. But yes look up TYM and their history and what and who they have made parts for. John deere and Kubota are have been for years buying parts from Korea, china, japan etc and then just assembling them

 

[Industrial Toys]

It gets me to wondering. How much Kubota and Deere are over priced, just on account of Status, and how much the others may be overpriced for what you are actually buying, just because the likes of Deere and Kubota has raised tractor prices. Like, manufacture a wrench that's only half as good, but charge 2/3s the price of a good one.

And make sure it has lot's of features which don't add much to cost, but always sells tractors.

 

[cathy liebchen]

It gets me to wondering. How much Kubota and Deere are over priced, just on account of Status, and how much the others may be overpriced for what you are actually buying, just because the likes of Deere and Kubota has raised tractor prices. Like, manufacture a wrench that's only half as good, but charge 2/3s the price of a good one.

And make sure it has lot's of features which don't add much to cost, but always sells tractors.

The price difference for the top brands is just a sunk cost, you get back more than that difference on any resale and the top brands are much easier to sell.

 

[s219]

Loader capacity is a function of height. Are you comparing TYM and Deere at the same heights? If not, you don't have a valid comparison.

Many Korean tractors have short loader arms and their rated capacity looks higher compared to another brand tractor that might lift higher. If you could look at the loader curve for both tractors and make a comparison at an equal height, you'll get a proper result.

So many times Kubota gets dinged for weak loaders when the reality is that they have longer arms and lift 10-12" higher. When you look at their loader curves and see the capacity at the lower heights of the other brands, it's usually competitive.