Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Gale Hawkins]

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...bs-of-cargo-make-80-stops-per-run-178163.html

Looks like this is going to become a common design.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

My Maverick Made It to the Dealer! But…

Here is an easy to find Maverick color.

 

[txdon]

In Norway the pure ICE market share was 8.4 % gas and diesel, 4.4% gas and 4% diesel.

For hybrids with charging, the share was 20,8% and the rest conventional hybrids.

Does Norway report the % of vehicles that have zero emissions. in 2035 California will only allow vehicles to be sold that have zero emissions. All hybrids are disallowed.

 

[Agvg]

Pure EVs have 65% market share, hydrogen vehicles are so few that they don't count.

Vehicle tax will make hybrids expensive, and the range limit for charge hybrids is increased every year, and for 2022 I do believe hybrids are entering the death spiral here in Norway. They make no economical sense, just a very complex car with very short EV range and not particularly good fuel economy, a super efficient diesel beats them.

 

[Grumpycat]

Just set the car to charge to 80%. It's in the software.

Perhaps that is so simple you missed my point?

What Tesla says is 80% SOC is not necessarily what Nissan says it is, is not necessarily what Rivan says it is. There is no unified standard, spec, or agreement. Each implementer defines 100% at a level they are comfortable staking their reputation. At odds for more range with smaller battery or longer life?

I don't think superchargers are available for home use.

Elon is a Capitalist. If you really want one he will find a way.

People forget for a time Tesla was fielding “Urban Superchargers” of “only” 70 kW. The idea was to field something easier to install than the 150 kW 2-stall version 2 Supercharger. Probably a number if these 70 kW units in Tesla warehouses looking for a home (I punned!).

Catch-22: expect the 70 kW Supercharger requires 480 volt service. Superchargers output 360-400 VDC.

 

[airbiscuit]

Ford doubling F-150 Lightning production capacity to 150,000 vehicles a year | Engadget

 

[Blue Mule]

Yet another reason electric vehicles would be a nightmare.

 

[Grumpycat]

I thought in the U.S. we define ICE as any engine that runs on gasoline and do not consider hybrids as an EV.
Is the new definition any vehicle that can run partially on electricity.

They are fudging with definitions. From the above link:
"These statistics do count conventional hybrids as “electrified” – somewhat of a strange designation, since they still get 100% of their energy from gasoline – but all of the top vehicles can run at least partially on electricity. And conventional hybrids make up less than 10% of new car sales anyway."

Please define an EV in the United States. Does it include Hybrids that get 100% of their energy from gasoline?

About 2007 truth twisters convinced legislators in one state (Arizona?) that a Toyota Prius was half electric and therefore qualified for half of the state’s favorable tax treatment of EVs.

You are correct in observing the Prius gets 100% of its motive force from gasoline. Same for other hybrids.

Today there are a number of PHEV, Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle, capable of 10-40 miles on pure battery. But that battery charge could be sourced from gasoline or the power grid.

Further evidence of the fallacy of letting government pick winners and losers. Creative forces in the marketplace will find ways to take advantage other than the intended way.

 

[PuffyC]

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Ford doubling F-150 Lightning production capacity to 150,000 vehicles a year | Engadget

Can't happen soon enough. I found this part interesting:

"However, some reports indicate that some dealers may be dinging customers up to $30,000 extra to be among the first to receive their vehicles."

The dealership model isn't just dying, it's committing suicide.

 

[Grumpycat]

Yet another reason electric vehicles would be a nightmare.

Boo hoo hoo. A Tesla Model Y in Camp Mode (look it up) consumes about 1 kWh per hour. Or about 4 miles of range per hour.

Nothing better to be stuck 24 hours on interstate in a snow storm than a Tesla.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Perhaps that is so simple you missed my point?

What Tesla says is 80% SOC is not necessarily what Nissan says it is, is not necessarily what Rivan says it is. There is no unified standard, spec, or agreement. Each implementer defines 100% at a level they are comfortable staking their reputation. At odds for more range with smaller battery or longer life?

I take it you are one of those guys who throws the owner's manual in the trash as soon as you buy a car?

The manufacturer defines it. Ignore the "experts" and believe the engineers who built the thing.

 

[Snobdds]

Boo hoo hoo. A Tesla Model Y in Camp Mode (look it up) consumes about 1 kWh per hour. Or about 4 miles of range per hour.

Nothing better to be stuck 24 hours on interstate in a snow storm than a Tesla.

I guess it is boo hoo hoo after nine hours, then it's call a tow truck or carry a generator with extra gas.

 

[cqaigy2]

Quantum entanglement is a fascinating topic and really makes you wonder how this universe actually works, not to mention how limiting it is to try to define it in physical terms we understand today. It's no wonder we've historically attributed so much of the workings of the world to supernatural beings and what is essentially magic. I also find the human perception of 'reality' to be equally fascinating. Science has proven that what you think is reality is nothing of the sort, it's just a fabrication of your mind where the universe you think you live in is unique to you and you alone. Not that the two topics are related of course but who knows. I'm not sold on the matrix theory although it's not as wacky as it sounds, and even if it was true it would only create more questions.

Sean Carroll, well know physicist, has a youtube channel you might be interested in.

 

[Rebeldad1]

Yet another reason electric vehicles would be a nightmare.

I dont understand? are you saying the people who are running out of fuel etc are all in electric cars?

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Sean Carroll, well know physicist, has a youtube channel you might be interested in.

Sorry... he only exists in your universe.

 

[txdon]

I dont understand? are you saying the people who are running out of fuel etc are all in electric cars?

I think he is saying it is harder to get an emergency 5 gallon can of electricity than gasoline.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

I think he is saying it is harder to get an emergency 5 gallon can of electricity than gasoline.

Don't you think that might change? Tow truck shows up with some type of emergency charge type thingy...

 

[txdon]

Don't you think that might change? Tow truck shows up with some type of emergency charge type thingy...

But there is nothing now. Unless there is a good demand for it why would it change in the future.

 

[PuffyC]

Don't you think that might change? Tow truck shows up with some type of emergency charge type thingy...

Like this: Blink Mobile EV Charging Station : Blink Charging
or this: Electric Vehicle Mobile Charging | SparkCharge

There's also vehicle to vehicle charging, like this: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning Offers Available V2V Charging

Running out of battery is/will be no different than running out of gas regardless of the scenario. Maybe your buddy comes and does v2v charging or you call roadside assistance and they give you enough to get home or to a station. I imagine batteries will eventually become so dense you can pack 50 miles into something the size of a briefcase and just keep it on your trunk, much like people do with portable power banks for their phones today.

 

[RoyJackson]

Don't you think that might change? Tow truck shows up with some type of emergency charge type thingy...

Don't think a tow truck driver would want to stick around for a couple hours...

This country may be ready for hybrids, not ready for fully EVs