Buying Advice John Deere compared to Kubota

[ovrszd]

I do admit electronic control over hydraulics can be slick. I do love my electronic max height pot, and up/down pushbuttons on the 3ph. (JD6200) But, that is just a module that can be easily diagnosed and replaced.

Do ya think maybe there's a computer involved?

 

[Industrial Toys]

Yeah, but a standalone module.

I see it like a thermosat for your furnace. You can have a computer controlled thermostat. If it fails, you rip it off the wall and replace it with any other or twist the wires togther to get heat. Now, if it's proprietary and "talks" to the furnace, your fu#$#$!

 

[ovrszd]

Odd analogy.

So you rip the thermostat off the wall (hydraulic standalone module) and you twist the wires together. What do ya reckon the computer is gonna think of that?

 

[Industrial Toys]

I was more implying that it's only one small module you have to contend with. My 3ph module doesn't communicate with any other part of the tractor. Nor does the PTO module except getting sensor information from the PTO itself.

But the point about the thermostat is that you can help yourself, and haven' been had by the furnace manufacturer.

 

[ruffdog]

Yugo's were simple vehicles too.....

 

[Industrial Toys]

If they had a crank included to start the thing, I want one. Like I said. I like anything where I can help myself if it fails.

 

[4570Man]

I’d rather have something that doesn’t break to start with. There’s no chance I’d trade my 6.0 Chevy for a 1975 carbureted 454. Given the option I’d jump on trading my 6.5 for a Duramax. My 6.5 hasn’t given any trouble but a duramax is better. I’m a pretty big fan of the HST plus in my M59 too. The transmission on my 310 was all drive by wire and worked better than any simple transmission I’ve ever used.

 

[Industrial Toys]

Except for glow plugs, My Duramax has never let me down. I don't work it hard though. Just feed it lots of fuel and it's happy.

 

[4570Man]

One of my family members has a Duramax dually. It gets 11 mph pulling his behemoth camper and 16 mpg highway empty. Real mileage not the computer mileage. I’d consider that pretty good. My 6.5 gets about 12 all the time but it’s never on the highway.

 

[ovrszd]

One of my family members has a Duramax dually. It gets 11 mph pulling his behemoth camper and 16 mpg highway empty. Real mileage not the computer mileage. I’d consider that pretty good. My 6.5 gets about 12 all the time but it’s never on the highway.

My two 7.3L PS trucks get 15mpg daily driving, 10-12mpg pulling the GN depending on load and terrain.

In regards to computer technology. Everyone reading this thread has the opportunity to not own any engine powered vehicle with a computer. None choose to do so. Wonder why?

A small percentage of readers could properly gap a set of points if they had to.

 

[4570Man]

My two 7.3L PS trucks get 15mpg daily driving, 10-12mpg pulling the GN depending on load and terrain.

In regards to computer technology. Everyone reading this thread has the opportunity to not own any engine powered vehicle with a computer. None choose to do so. Wonder why?

A small percentage of readers could properly gap a set of points if they had to.

And even your 7.3s have a computer. Those diesels are far more complicated than most realize. My 6.5 is a 1992 and was the last year or 2 that were mechanical injection. The earlier stages of fuel injection for gas which was far better than a carburetor came around sometime in the 80s for pickups.

 

[ovrszd]

And even your 7.3s have a computer. Those diesels are far more complicated than most realize. My 6.5 is a 1992 and was the last year or 2 that were mechanical injection. The earlier stages of fuel injection for gas which was far better than a carburetor came around sometime in the 80s for pickups.

Yep. Definitely computer driven.

Oh yeah, the good ole Throttle Body systems!!!! They were a huge leap from a carb. But very antiquated when compared to today's stuff.

I still remember the first engine I saw without a distributor... What The He**!!!!

 

[ultrarunner]

My two 7.3L PS trucks get 15mpg daily driving, 10-12mpg pulling the GN depending on load and terrain.

In regards to computer technology. Everyone reading this thread has the opportunity to not own any engine powered vehicle with a computer. None choose to do so. Wonder why?

A small percentage of readers could properly gap a set of points if they had to.

Not quite if you operate older Diesel power in California...

 

[ovrszd]

Not quite if you operate older Diesel power in California...

Not sure what your comment means? Elaborate please?

 

[kthompson]

Americans have little understanding of such things. The European Settlers of this continent took the land by force. We have very little understanding or compassion for bloodline or heritage.

I am very rural and Agricultural. My good friend is a very larger farmer, 20K acres tillable. He's 3rd Generation.

I find it interesting only is said about the USA we took the land by force. Believe that is how land was and still taken over the centuries to the victor went the spoils.

 

[ovrszd]

I find it interesting only is said about the USA we took the land by force. Believe that is how land was and still taken over the centuries to the victor went the spoils.

Never suggested we were exclusive.

 

[ultrarunner]

Not sure what your comment means? Elaborate please?

Sorry about that... forced retirement with a one way trip out of state based on a emission tier retirement schedule...

It has been enough to force some of my Mom and Pop excuvating and grading contractors to call it quits with lovingly maintained dump trucks and backhoes, etc.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

I realize I'm in the minority here, but I think basing a decision on the dealer is whacked. I'm on my tractor several hundred hours per year, at the dealer maybe 2 hours per year. So the tractor is 100x more important to me than the dealer. Now, I would be reluctant to buy anything (tractor, car, dishwasher, etc) from any dealer who I thought was 1) a slimebag, or 2) about to go bye-bye. But to pick the dealer instead of the tractor doesn't compute to me: a mediocre tractor from a great dealer is still a mediocre tractor.

I agree 100%

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

My grandpa had john deere and my uncle's had john deere so i was already propositioned to buy a john deere. But my aptitude made me do months of research. Differnce i found from many tractors i looked at in the 30hp range was ergonomics and overall construction. Easyier maintenance value of parts and dealer support. John deere was the best choice. I am proud to own a green machine but gave all other's a good look. I know in 10 or 20 years i can get support and parts. Good luck.

Good for you. That is the only way you can know why Deere is the better choice. This is what any smart and educated buyer would do.

 

[kthompson]

I may have posted this somewhere before, but I now own my third Kubota giving me three sitting under my shelter at one time. I had a JD 5525 for four years and a Case no idea the model over 20 years ago but about 50 hp. I never had any issue with one Kubota, one is only a year old but issue with standard seat, one Kubota M6800 transmission issues twice with a whining noise in it with last repair. The case never had any issue with it and the JD had a easy to replace sensor on the engine to replace and think on issue with it. There are many ways to judge a tractor and just from operator comfort and the feeling of the tractor during operation the Case and JD both were more comfortable and feel more solid when operating them. To me the M6800 has a weak transmission for heavy loads (within what it is rated for) using a disk for steady work for few hours had a gear to break one time and think it was a bearing the second time. to me Kubota's just don't have the same confidence and comfort level to me as my others have. My last purchase is a Kubota and I really rather had the JD 4000 series but their cab doors with no windows to open but the rear just will not give enough air flow not to use a/c on mild days. Only reason I bought the Kubota over the JD.