Woodworking Tools

   / Woodworking Tools #21  
I'll add my two cents... I have/use many different brands of tools as other have mention. I have also bought some tools at estate auctions. I would recommend that you get a good table saw that has cast iron table. My delta is every bit of 30+ years old and works great. If you just getting into woodworking I would also recommend some community collage classes if they were in your area.

Dave
 
   / Woodworking Tools #22  
Wait a minute! The man wants tools! A man should never have to justify a tool purchase; the desire itself is sufficient! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Jeez, how many of us would own tractors if we had to justify their use first!?! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Pete
 
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#23  
bellweather,

I plan to start with carpentry and move toward cabinets as my skills get better.

You are correct about my skills. They are limited to cutting tree branches and structural designs.
 
   / Woodworking Tools #24  
Pete, for us wood butchers the Craftsman power tools have been just fine. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif I really liked my Craftsman radial arm saw that I sold last year when I sold the farm. Of course I also sold all my other saws and most of my other tools, so I had to buy a saw a week or so ago. So this time I was looking for one saw (won't take much storage space) to do everything. I know such doesn't exist, but I figured this Makita JR3000VT from Lowe's was about as close as I could get. So far, I've been very pleased with it.
 
   / Woodworking Tools #25  
A bit of advice, measure twice, cut once.

Also, keep your fingers away from the blade. You may think I'm trying to be funny, but I've seen it happen too many times.
 
   / Woodworking Tools #26  
As we get older we forget about the univerisal muti purpose hand saw!

Egon
 
   / Woodworking Tools #27  
Pete,

Everybody is right! My Dad is a carpenter/cabinet maker with about 50 years experience and I have worked with him on projects and building renovations for about 20 years. The primary qualification for a tool is "does this feel comfortable in my hand or to use?"

For you purists, I'm going to geneeralize a little bit here so don't go wild!

There is basically two classes of tools, the ones that tend to last forever, i.e Milwaukee, Porter Cable, Delta, etc.

And the ones that last 1 to 5 years, Skil, Black and Decker, Makita.

In General, you want to buy the most expensive tool you can afford if it is to receive heave use, cheaper if it will receive intermittent use. Also the as noted by GreenMtnMan the more expensive and typically heavier tools will provide better precision cuts and finishes

I'll give you some examples of tools we use: For table saws
I have a 1-1/2 HP 10" Delta Contractors saw, very strong with cast iron table, makes great cuts
My dad has an old (50yrs?) 8" Craftsman saw that is finally losing its ability to make good cuts and a new 10" Rigid saw w/wheeled base that is an excellent tool. These are all saws you want to keep more or less stationary. They all weigh 250 plus lbs. If you can place one at a single work location

If you get any of the $450 to $600 range table saws, you should do OK, three things --- Get a 10" saw w minimum 1-1/2 HP continuous (not peak rated motor), w/cast Iron table, and if you plan to do a lot of finish work, get a Bessemeyer fence. Good Table Saw = good fence - you definitely need a table saw.

For cabinet making you definitely need a router and table. Any of the tables work. Good = heavy and/or bolted to a heavy base or table w/-----A good rigid fence!
For routers I suggest Porter Cable or Milwaukee. I own a Milwaukee body grip type that takes 1/4 and 1/2" shank bits.

For corded drills, go with Milwaukee, For the price you can't beat em. I have only seen one fail in my entire life and that's because we used it to drill old mill timbers with a 6" hole saw. I have seen a host of others ground into the dirt. Unless you plan to have a stationary workshop, I don't believe you need a drill press, get a good 3/8" and use a jig setup if you really need one to drill straight, they sell them a most woodworking stores.

For cordless, Porter Cable and Dewalt are good. However, I use a 14.4v Firestorm most of the time and have built decks with it as well as cabinets. I like it because its well balanced and light --- A key feature when holding up kitchen cabinets and drilling or working overhead. However, one fine day it will go kaput. One note on cordless, If you don't use them a lot and/or keep the batteries on a trickle charger, they go dead $$$$$ Oh yea, always get two batteries!

I just built a built in window seat bench in my house for the boss window and used the following tools: table saw 9planer blade and Dado), router, palm sander, cordless drill, coping saw, hammer, quick clamps, screwdrivers.

I could go on for ever on this issue /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif but I think I've spouted enough to digest for one post!
 
   / Woodworking Tools #28  
"As we get older we forget about the universal muti purpose hand saw"
Yes- and it's cordless, variable speed, with tremendous depth of cut, and is dirt cheap- you can have a top of the line Sandvik for not much money. And, if the batteries run down in use, they can be recharged in minutes with a can of beer.
 
   / Woodworking Tools #29  
What's a hand saw? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Disston also makes an excellent saw. If you get a rip and crosscut, you can have two beers
 
   / Woodworking Tools #30  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( In all the years... Craftsman power tools? )</font>

/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hi Pete,

I had a Craftsman cast iron Table saw, and currently have had for a quite a few years a shaper, radial arm saw… and many friends with their table & radial arm saws… and have to say pretty darn BULLET PROOF and rock solid VALUE… /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Now, mind ya… not the elegance of a Powermatic or Rockwell/Delta Unisaw (this is on my ultimate wish list /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif), but not the cost either… and certainly not the power of a 3-ph DeWalt radial arm saw, but then again the price is down to earth…

The gads of accessories at reasonable prices, and most always available locally down the road at someone’s Sears stores, and the sheer numbers of the units sold, should be some sign of customer satisfaction…

In the past & currently, their powered hand tools have done nothing but improved and mostly produced by “brand-name” vendors under the Craftsman label… but like everything else in this world… they have a Good, Better, Best range to pick & choose from… /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
   / Woodworking Tools #31  
John:
I've had a craftsman 10 in. radial arm saw now for over thirty years. It's done a lota work over that time and I still have all my fingers. Saws still running good too although it's had two new switches. The table top has had to be replaced also.

My son bought a craftsman 3/8 drill last xmas and it looks very much the same as my Dewalt drill.

Egon
 
   / Woodworking Tools #32  
Peter
Here's a suggestion...look into whether a there is a vocational high school, or jr. college in your area that offers an evening adult education course in woodworking. That way you will have an opportunity to experience a wide array of woodworking tools, and more importantly receive valuable instruction on their safe operation. And as a bonus you will learn about woodworking (there is much more to know about woodworking than how to operate a tool).
 
   / Woodworking Tools #33  
As a one-time cabinetmaker, one-time boatbuilder and long time build-it if you need it guy, which means I have to justify my shop and endless tool-buying by using them, I won't add anything other than to recommend Fine Woodworking and Fine Homebuilding magazines, and their websites, as a good place to read about tools and tool reviews. Tools of theTrade magazine also reviews power hand tools. Well, I will also ad that it took me 30 years to realize that I should buy really good tools, since I never seem to get rid of them, and who wants to use a piece of crap tool forever, once you understand what you are doing.
 
   / Woodworking Tools #34  
I find my Wife's axiom fits this best....

"You get what you pay for..."

That said, I do have a few favorites...

Dewalt biscut joiner, Excellent quality, easy to learn, hidden joints.

A word here on dewalt quality, got stuck once, had to mix some thin-set with the 3/8 inch dewalt drill(corded), she struggled, started to smell but did the job, and is still my everyday drill 2 years later.

Cutting blades, spend the dollars, A $150 saw with a $40 blade cuts truer than a $900 saw with a $15 blade, and it really stinks to be 3/4 way around the top with the round over bit and burn the edge cause it got dull and hot.. I like freud <sp?> myself. I also stock up on "disposables" at harbourfreight for the skil saw, table saw and such, for cutting "gross" stuff like wet pressure treat, new holes in roof, used lumber, ect ect.

A set of SHARP wood chisels. And learn how to re sharpen them. Cheap here works short term, but won't hold an edge as long.

Craftsman, I have a craftsman radial arm saw, see above axiom, if I ever replace it I will go with some type of table saw with a good fence system and be as or more accurate.
I also have a newer craftsman cordless drill that is excellent for the $. I also like the sears router, but use the 30 year old black and decker more cause its lighter, go figure.

Straight edges....get yourself some, no easier way to rip a sheet of plywood than to clamp an 8ft stick of alum to it and run the skil saw down it.

Clamps. Go to big lots and buy 8 of every size they have of every style. (or order them from harbour freight) an area where the price difference makes up for lesser quality in my opinion.

I tend to shop based on how often I will use the tool and the type of work I expect it to do. For instance a "skil saw". I don't use them very often and is almost always used for "rough" carpentry so of the three that I have bought two have been abslute bottom of the shelf, the other one is "saved" for fine work like ripping hardwood veneer plywood.
The two cheapos? After aprox twenty years the left handed one finally died, I was using it to cut stress lines in sidewalk and driveway(high volume of highly abrasive dust and the bearings were already starting to screech on wind down). The right handed one still going strong. Both were black and deckers. The "good" one, a 1983 milwalkee worm drive thats at my dad's in fl with most of my other tools. (always pack your tools when you move, murphy Will come calling)

Hope this helps and didn't bore ya'll too much....

ttyl
Dart

PS I just remebered that I was reading really old posts....guess better late than never....
 
   / Woodworking Tools #37  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( GreenMtnMan,

Is a cabinet saw just a more accurate version of a regular table saw? )</font>

Having just traded up from a top of the line contractor saw to a Delta Unisaw, cabinet saws are head and shoulders better than a contractor's saw. Overkill for many, but king of the shop for those of us who need serious power and accuracy.

Pete
 

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