Nuclear fallout information

[5030]

As of late the term AR has been applied to just about every black rifle and some not black rifles as well.

 

[ovrszd]

That must have been some trick. The AR15 is not a military rifle. Of course they were in short supply.

In Vietnam, the US Army used M1, M14 and M16 rifles for the most part. Contrary to popular myth, the M16 was not an AR.

There's often been confusion regarding AR15 versus M16.

The M16 I carried in Vietnam was semi automatic, one squeeze = one round, or full auto, one squeeze and hold emptied the magazine. If you were quick you could fire only two or three rounds per squeeze. But you had to be good. Statistically it would empty a 20 round mag in three seconds or less. Can't remember the exact time.

 

[Dftodd]

There's often been confusion regarding AR15 versus M16.

The M16 I carried in Vietnam was semi automatic, one squeeze = one round, or full auto, one squeeze and hold emptied the magazine. If you were quick you could fire only two or three rounds per squeeze. But you had to be good. Statistically it would empty a 20 round mag in three seconds or less. Can't remember the exact time.

They actually started transitioning the m16 to 3 round bursts during the tailend of Nam. After Nam they fazed out the fully auto version completely. On later versions of the M16 the selector switch transitioned between semi auto and 3 round bursts to conserve ammo and improve accuracy.

 

[cqaigy2]

They actually started transitioning the m16 to 3 round bursts during the tailend of Nam. After Nam they fazed out the fully auto version completely. On later versions of the M16 the selector switch transitioned between semi auto and 3 round bursts to conserve ammo and improve accuracy.

Not sure, but i believe one of the reasons full auto wasn't as useful after the Vietnam war. I'm sure someone here could tell us why being able to have most everyone shoot full auto into a blind jungle ambush would be beneficial.

 

[GeneV]

Not sure, but i believe one of the reasons full auto wasn't as useful after the Vietnam war. I'm sure someone here could tell us why being able to have most everyone shoot full auto into a blind jungle ambush would be beneficial.

Wastes ammo.

 

[beckmurph]

I'll fight with a stick and yell "bangity, bangity, bang" before I abandon my country.

All well and good , till the tankity tank tankity tank comes over the hill.

It’s an old joke.

 

[cqaigy2]

Wastes ammo.

I'd think that would not be a reason to have full auto. I'm assuming full auto would use more ammunition.

 

[Dftodd]

Here's a quick screen shot of the reasoning behind switching to 3 round bursts.

 

[GeneV]

I'd think that would not be a reason to have full auto. I'm assuming full auto would use more ammunition.

Yeh man, I was supporting your point. One thing I've heard, it was especially newer guys handling the rifle, target acquisition was them trailing rounds between targets, wasting ammo. Burst mode allowed for proper target acquisition, with 3 rounds deemed ideal amount to put em down.

 

[ovrszd]

They actually started transitioning the m16 to 3 round bursts during the tailend of Nam. After Nam they fazed out the fully auto version completely. On later versions of the M16 the selector switch transitioned between semi auto and 3 round bursts to conserve ammo and improve accuracy.

Exactly. The M16A1 was most definitely a fully automatic (AR) rifle.

30 round mags jammed a lot. So GIs learned to tape two 20 round mags together. With a simple flip you had 40 rounds.

 

[ovrszd]

Not sure, but i believe one of the reasons full auto wasn't as useful after the Vietnam war. I'm sure someone here could tell us why being able to have most everyone shoot full auto into a blind jungle ambush would be beneficial.

You had to be there. Maybe you were.

 

[ovrszd]

Wastes ammo.

The never ending debate. Quality. Quantity. Which is most beneficial?

 

[JasperFrank]

Early M16s had a one in 14 spin in the rifling, and there were only 4 rifling grooves. Later 16s had 6 grooves and 1 in 12 spin. In close encounters, the one in 14 spin let the bullet "wobble" and effectively made the 5.56 a bit more destructive. But this configuration was near useless at longer ranges. And if I remember correctly, there were some grumblings the first rifles were close to being called a violation of Geneva conventions. (edit) I just checked the Wikipedia, on the M16, and I see this is true, or at least widely believed.
What happens after a nuke exchange, is any one's guess as to what was and wasn't useful. Shear numbers, are going to favor the 7.62 x 39 rifles.

 

[/pine]

From what I've read about close range, small arm warfare in Europe during WWII...was many soldiers were just pointing their M1s etc and not really selecting specific (men) targets...and a lot of ammunition was wasted because of this...

 

[ovrszd]

From what I've read about close range, small arm warfare in Europe during WWII...was many soldiers were just pointing their M1s etc and not really selecting specific (men) targets...and a lot of ammunition was wasted because of this...

For every round fired at a specific target I fired 100 at non specific targets. Quantity versus Quality.

 

[cqaigy2]

For every round fired at a specific target I fired 100 at non specific targets. Quantity versus Quality.

and most go over head

 

[ovrszd]

and most go over head

Depends on the shooter. Did yours go overhead?

 

[JasperFrank]

Suppression volley fire, from small arms, was a very important aspect of modern warfare, from WWI up until the Korean war. It then became a bit less important to military strategists, as controlling the air space first, was the goal, and with close air support, suppression, or as others would call it, "harassment" volleys from small arms, fell out of the tactics playbook for ground forces.
Own the sky, first, and than just call in an air strike.
In a post nuke world, suppression becomes much more important again.
The lowly 22 long, has an advantage, since you can carry 1000 rounds easily,... till one runs out of 22 long. But you have 50,000 rounds and the perps have far fewer, more precious ammo.

 

[fatjay]

The never ending debate. Quality. Quantity. Which is most beneficial?

I'd rather hit once than miss 30 times.

 

[Helogabals]

Welcome to Russian army, where you get to procure your own sleeping bags, meds, tourniquets, tampons to plug bullet wounds...and don't forget to get a hammer for your head, so you could get amnesia and forget how f*cked you are.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1574483334679478284

yeah, that is what I meant




Russians has word game on moBilization
In russian language word "moGila" is "grave".
So people now call this moGilization. Very true