Wrong tool for the job

[flingwing1969]

Using pretty much ANY SIZE FEL for such a task is the wrong tool.

Maybe a little clue in the "loader" part of the description.

I thought mine said Front end tree pusher. Hmmm. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[flingwing1969]

 

[Doofy]

I thought mine said Front end tree pusher. Hmmm. Thanks for the clarification.

Really have to slap myself on occasion to remind me that a compact tractor is not a bulldozer either. Also, 1969 was a Great Year!

 

[Phillip w]

update: the old allis came thru. The stump was a tough little burger. Ended up coming out in pieces. Also, broke a pin on the loader. Either that alot of push force or that is a chinese pin. Tractor backend came up a couple times and that is unusual for it. I've never upset one yet, but dad has upset 2 and grandpa upset an old case tractor once. The little dont worry The darned old stump doesn't even burn worth a too.

 

[Phillip w]

update: the old allis came thru. The stump was a tough little burger. Ended up coming out in pieces. Also, broke a pin on the loader. Either that alot of push force or that is a chinese pin. Tractor backend came up a couple times and that is unusual for it. I've never upset one yet, but dad has upset 2 and grandpa upset an old case tractor once. The little dont worry The darned old stump doesn't even burn worth a too.

That ended up a mess. Hit the wrong button. Here is some Pics:

 

[BrokenTrack]

Old timers used to used a mixture of sugar and pot ash. I dont know the recipe formula. I wish i did. But apparently it is highly explosive. Apparently if they got the recipe a little wrong, it turned the stump in to toothpicks. Anyone know the recipe?

I do, but I am NOT putting it online, nor sharing it with ANYONE. Not in today's world, too many crazy people out there.

Explosives were the tool of yesteryear in my opinion and have no place for today except with the experts. I clear a lot of land, and have dealt with my grandfather's out-of-control dynamite fetish of yesteryear, and it has always been a bear. Stumps are unpredictable when explosives are touched off, and rocks shatter into slivers that make it impossible to get a bite on with the blade. Even cleaning up fragmented boulders with an excavator is a pain.

This is 2018; rent equipment that is big enough to do the job as it is available. Toying with explosives is just plain stupid considering the liability. Doesn't anyone remember Austin, Texas two weeks ago?

I dislike using such strong words regarding this, but this sort of foolishness gets people killed. I am compelled to use strong wording, and definitely not apologetic in the least.

 

[fried1765]

Tractor FELs against 14" stumps are a joke. Tractor backhoes aren't much better. A real backhoe and preferably an excavator is leaps and bounds better.

I disagree.
My old Ford 3400 TLB (only 10' hoe) would get that 14' stump out with ease.
I have done 24" trees.
Break the roots off on 2 or 3 sides with the hoe.
Then push as high as possible, and over goes the tree.
Finish rip out with the hoe & thumb. Pick up tree (cut in big pieces) with loader forks.
Haul the tree away to the brush pile.
Curl the bucket, dropping the forks, and get a loader bucket of dirt to fill the hole.
If I were doing 100 trees...certainly an excavator (with a thumb),.... but for a single tree, a suitably sized TLB is far more versatile.

 

[flusher]

Had a tree i was tired of and decided to push it with the tractor thinking it would up root and i would not have a stump to mow around. Well, as you can see in the photoView attachment 547366View attachment 547367View attachment 547368 it broke about even with the ground. I just told a guy on here that one of these little tractors would dig out a stump. I was totally off base with that idea. I jumped on mf because of ease and operational convenience. The little massey didn't do to good. Not enough hp, push power, hydraulics, and weight. It is not just my little massey, i think any of these little tractors would have trouble. Little tractors are not the right tool for stump removal.

The right way to do that job is chain saw first, then shovel/maul/axe, and THEN the tractor. Like this:



That's my 1964 MF135 diesel doing the final step.

Good luck

 

[Navvet]

Just a little digging and a quick push and some more oak firewood ......

 

[Oldoak]

I do, but I am NOT putting it online, nor sharing it with ANYONE. Not in today's world, too many crazy people out there.

Explosives were the tool of yesteryear in my opinion and have no place for today except with the experts. I clear a lot of land, and have dealt with my grandfather's out-of-control dynamite fetish of yesteryear, and it has always been a bear. Stumps are unpredictable when explosives are touched off, and rocks shatter into slivers that make it impossible to get a bite on with the blade. Even cleaning up fragmented boulders with an excavator is a pain.

This is 2018; rent equipment that is big enough to do the job as it is available. Toying with explosives is just plain stupid considering the liability. Doesn't anyone remember Austin, Texas two weeks ago?

I dislike using such strong words regarding this, but this sort of foolishness gets people killed. I am compelled to use strong wording, and definitely not apologetic in the least.

You can step down from your soap box now.

Fooling around with explosives is no more dangerous today than it was years ago when a lot of us grew up watching our fathers blow stumps and even did a few things we shouldn't have done with dynamite. Could be purchased it at the local hardware store back then.

What makes it more dangerous today is all the crazies today that so called "modern society" has produced. And of course, all the lawyers looking to make an extravagant living at someone else's expense.

It may be 2018, but everyone doesn't have the availability of rental machines or the means and skills to operate the proper equipment that you apparently have.

Oh well, you destroy my soap box now.

 

[KB7722]

What model is your Allis? Use to have a 180 and a 200 w/ fel. I learned how to operate and grew up on those tractors. Tractors today are a breeze after operating those titans.

 

[Industrial Toys]

Two of the guys that assisted me on our explosive weekend, were graduates from a community college blasting course. But there was a joke that at that time (80s) anyone could buy explosives if they seemed legit to the vendor, but you needed a license for fireworks.

And back then, rural farm houses had mostly (cheap to replace) single pane windows and tin roofs. What's a little fly rock here and there?

Learned a lot that weekend. Have 8mm footage. The best was the large wooden console TV which all but disappeared from the earth,

 

[Phillip w]

What model is your Allis? Use to have a 180 and a 200 w/ fel. I learned how to operate and grew up on those tractors. Tractors today are a breeze after operating those titans.

My allis is a mid 1970's 185 with a koyker #5 loader. I agree with easy of operation on the new stuff. I also agree with a gear transmission and the way thing are set up and designed, the allis is an odd ball. However, that old allis is beefy, rugged and and pretty tough when you got get down and dirty. I can push a tree with it faster than a guy can start a chain saw. Ive up rooted alot of trees. That particular tree broke and i didn't want a stump. The stump was a lot more trouble than i figured. I probably won't try any more stumps. Pushing trees Doesn't require alot if hp, just alot of weght and traction. This new stuff to me seems like you got to have the engine screaming to get anything out of them and then they are to light and spin. Alot of traction issues. Not only will that old allis push, she will pull like a freight train. That is the first pin I've ever busted pulling or pushing.

 

[Doofy]

Two of the guys that assisted me on our explosive weekend, were graduates from a community college blasting course. But there was a joke that at that time (80s) anyone could buy explosives if they seemed legit to the vendor, but you needed a license for fireworks.

And back then, rural farm houses had mostly (cheap to replace) single pane windows and tin roofs. What's a little fly rock here and there?

Learned a lot that weekend. Have 8mm footage. The best was the large wooden console TV which all but disappeared from the earth,

Back in the late 60s, the neighbor up the road used dynamite to purge his septic crib. Had a little to much vodka and used a little to much dynamite and blew that Sh*t to smithereens and beyond. His three red headed daughters spent several days cleaning the poop off the house. They took his dynamite away.

 

[Texasmark]

You could use your chain saw and cut it as close to the ground as is practical and then get a DR brand, stump grinder. They are pestering me with fliers for stuff they have on sale. All good products. I have a half a dozen DR products.

Then you would have it when needed, you could use your MF for the purpose designed, and save a ton on money on not buying a larger tractor just because you want to remove some stumps.

 

[BrokenTrack]

Fooling around with explosives is no more dangerous today than it was years ago when a lot of us grew up watching our fathers blow stumps and even did a few things we shouldn't have done with dynamite. Could be purchased it at the local hardware store back then. What makes it more dangerous today is all the crazies today that so called "modern society" has produced. And of course, all the lawyers looking to make an extravagant living at someone else's expense.

There is no need to tell me about the history of explosives, I lived it and is the reason I know how to mix it. We are not talking about relatively benign dynamite here after all, but something that makes a lot bigger bang. But I stand by what I said; to ask for the recipe in this day and age on the open internet is just plain stupid.

This forum is filled with incredible talent and skill, but this is NOT something people should be concocting in their backyards that is for sure. Equally this is not something lurkers or kids under age should be reading either. I cannot speak for Mohammad, but I am pretty sure he would not want to hear that someone on this forum was killed after messing with an explosive recipe listed on this site.

It may be 2018, but everyone doesn't have the availability of rental machines or the means and skills to operate the proper equipment that you apparently have.

This is another silly statement; if a person lacks the equipment or means to rent the equipment needed, then cut the tree from the stump, clean up the tree and let the stump rot. Or if aesthetics of a lawn is important to a person, encircle the area with a retaining system, fill with dirt and make the area teem with landscape plantings. Those are just two methods that are low cost, but I can think of a few more. The point is, launching a stump into outer space by explosives, or informing an open internet on how to concoct them, is NOT a better low cost plan!

 

[Industrial Toys]

Simple. Give out the recipe and end up on the "no fly" list.

 

[Doofy]

Simple. Give out the recipe and end up on the "no fly" list.

Hahahaha! That sounds about right. If you are lonesome that would be a good way to get some company.

 

[Michael Aos]

I removed a couple smaller (10"?) dead trees like that with my BX2370.

I was really surprised.

I had been talking to a rental place to line up a mini excavator. They asked if I had even TRIED pushing on them, so I figured I'd give it a shot.

Turned out I didn't need to rent the mini-excavator.

In retrospect, I probably should have just pulled them down with my pickup truck -- it's easily twice the weight of the BX.

 

[Phillip w]

Heres the cleanup and finished product. I think I'm going to get out of the stump removal business for a while.